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Five tips to avoid the long walk of shame
All poker chips expire. But unlike with sour milk in a fridge, casino bosses choose when chips go bad. It can be months, years or decades after they are issued. “It’s a personal choice,” said Mark Lipparelli, a gaming consultant and former chairman of the Gaming Control Board. Indicate to the croupier that you want to leave (waiting for the end of a spin when they’re less distracted) and he will change your roulette chips for generic casino cash chips. The same goes for. Either wait till you go back or, if you know someone who is going anytime soon, sell the chips to them. The chips are good at any LV casino. I brought back a $1 chip from Luxor, Paris and Bellagio. I glued them onto a Vegas postcard and hung it on our ’memories’ board.by Basil Nestor
It can happen to anyone, even film legend Ben Affleck. On April 28, he was playing blackjack at the Hard Rock Casino in Las Vegas. According to Variety, Ben was approached by a casino rep who told him, “You’re too good at this game.” That’s a nice way of saying, “You’re counting cards.” Then the casino declined his action, effectively banning Ben from the blackjack tables. They called him a car, and he left the property.
Some news sources reported that Ben was banned from the Hard Rock, but a few days later, the Las Vegas Review-Journal got a clarification from Abigail Miller, a hotel rep. She said, “Mr. Affleck, a valued guest of Hard Rock Hotel & Casino, is not banned from our property and is welcome back any time.” Nice, but is Ben still banned from playing blackjack? She didn’t say.
How did this happen? Can it happen to you? The short answer is yes. Counting cards at blackjack is just one example. Roulette, craps, poker,—all table games are potential breeding grounds for situations that can land you on the pavement, especially if you’re an advantage player. Here’s what you can do to make that less likely.
1. Don’t be so obvious.
One week prior to his adventure at the Hard Rock, Ben was playing blackjack at Wynn. A rep there told him to curb his action. Rob Olivetti, games protection manager at Wynn and Encore, was quoted by Radar Online in an internal e-mail saying, “He was being way too obvious moving his money with the count. Cache creek casino rv camping parks. He was spreading $100-10K on the double decks and $0-20K (2 at 10K) on the shoe games.”
That’s just crazy! Depending on your blackjack counting strategy, and your preference for cover, you might want a bet spread (low bets vs. high bets) of 1-4 up to 1-12. You might push it to 1-16 if you’re brave. But Ben was betting $100 at the low end, and $10,000 at the high end. That’s a spread of 1-100! He might as well have announced when he sat down, “I’m counting cards!” It was unwise.
Wynn let him play, apparently with a warning. But Hard Rock shut the door.
2. Don’t be tricky with black chips.
According to various sources, Ben was using black $100 chips to keep track of the count. This was wrong for a couple of reasons. Casinos track your black chips. They don’t want you ratholing (sneaking black chips off the table and then claiming you lost money when you really won money). So they’re very aware of how you handle chips. Also, playing at a high-limit table brings extra scrutiny. It’s usually easier to get away with a big spread of 1-12 and ratholing when your bets are $75 to $900 or $150 to $1,800, betting green and black chips at a table in the main casino. Is that boring small stakes for Ben? Probably. But right now his stakes at the Hard Rock are $0. A modest spread of 1-6, $500-$3,000, might have been overlooked if he hadn’t been counting with black chips.
3. Don’t think the scrutiny is only on blackjack
All table games track black chips and higher denominations. They also count greens and reds, but not so carefully. All table games have behaviors that are forbidden or in the gray area of unwanted but not illegal. Some casinos don’t want you setting dice in craps. Some of them don’t want you using visual ballistics or wheel clocking in roulette. Every game has weak points that can be legally exploited, and you shouldn’t imagine that the casino is entirely unaware. So be stealthy. Be cautious. Above all, don’t be greedy. Win a reasonable amount and then quickly go. Don’t pile it up and dare the casino to identify you as an advantage player.Can You Leave A Casino With Chips No Deposit
4. Don’t be a jerk. By all accounts Ben was polite when he got the tap.
But many people are shown the door just because they’re jerks. I once had a guy sitting to my left who was ejected because he made an obscene gesture to me. Why was he angry? I correctly hit my hand and took his good card. The floorman went to the trouble of checking the video to confirm the gesture. Then security came and the dude was tossed. A few months ago I was in a game and one player just couldn’t stop cursing, even after a warning. He wasn’t in a bad mood, just had a foul loose mouth. The female dealer and the women at the table had the guy booted.
5. Don’t imagine you’re Jack McCoy or Perry Mason, but do know the law.
Casinos in Nevada can eject you for almost anything, or nothing. Don’t imagine that legal arguments will sway them. They can ban you from a game or ban you from the property. If you return, it’s trespassing. Elsewhere in the country, the rules are generally similar. In Atlantic City, you can’t be ejected for counting, but a casino can take countermeasures to make the game so unprofitable that it becomes pointless. Your strategic goal is to never reach this situation. And, of course, know the law and the rules of your game. Don’t cheat. Cheaters aren’t ejected; they’re arrested. If you’re detained for legal advantage play but not arrested, stay cool and be polite. Remember that casino security are not police. Don’t answer questions, and firmly repeat that you want to leave, gesturing toward the exits so cameras above can see. Walk out unless you’re physically prevented from doing so. And remember to take your chips! Of course, if it gets to this, then your strategy of stealth has gone horribly wrong. Play well. Be careful. Be gracious, and you’ll avoid getting a tap on the shoulder.
Enjoy the game!
Basil Nestor is author of The Smarter Bet Guide to Blackjack, The Smarter Bet Guide to Craps, and other comprehensive gambling guides. Got a question? Visit SmarterBet.com and drop him a line.What to Do if You are Barred or Backed Off by a CasinoBy Robert A. Loeb, Attorney at Law
(From Blackjack and the Law by I. Nelson Rose and Robert A. Loeb)
© Blackjack Forum 1998
Before giving the answers to what a card counter should do if he is barred, some of which are obvious, let me ask the following question: Are you really going to talk them into letting you stay and play? Are you really going to convince them that if they let you stay, they will see that you are not counting cards? Of course not. There is nothing to do but cash in your chips and leave quietly.
If you are not a card counter, it may be worth it to try to persuade the casino of that fact, because the casinos do actually hassle non-counters who may be winning, or because of a faulty conclusion that you are counting cards. Even non-card-counters, however, do not want to be so adamant that they risk some of the consequences listed below.
If you really think that there may be legal action, brought by you or the casino, try to learn the names of the dealer, pit boss, security people, casino manager, or fellow players. It will be important if there are any further legal proceedings. However, you don’t want to make things worse. Therefore, what shouldn’t you do if the casino is barring you? What Not to Do if You are Barred or Backed Off by a Casino
1. Don’t admit you are a card counter. They don’t know for sure. You might deny that you are a card counter, but don’t get into a big explanation. It doesn’t matter that you bet big off the top of a shoe, or that you’ve been losing your shirt. And you don’t think that you’re going to persuade them to let you continue playing without heat, do you?
2. Don’t wait long enough for your picture to be taken (or for more and better pictures to be taken). High stakes players are more likely to already have a picture on file, but there is no benefit to either the big or small player to have his picture on file.
3. Don’t start an argument, or make a loud fuss. You don’t want to be arrested for being disorderly.
4. Don’t go to the bar and have a drink. You don’t want to be arrested for public drunkenness, or have the casino follow you to the parking lot and tip off the police that you are driving drunk.
5. Don’t go to the cage and cash out. That is the casino’s preferred time and place to snap a good close-up of you. Return to the casino on a different shift, when everyone’s forgotten about you, and cash out your chips quietly.
6. Don’t show your identification, if at all possible. They don’t need it, nor under the typical trespassing statute, do they have a right to demand it. You may have to be very polite in your refusal to show an ID, but you don’t want your name in the Griffin book, which contains photographs and descriptions of card counters, alongside photos and descriptions of cheaters.
If you are actually being arrested, you probably will be legally required to produce identification. Don’t state that you forgot your driver’s license or that you don’t have a license. They may follow you to the parking lot, and tip off the police that you are driving without a license (I’ve learned of an actual incident in which a casino did this). You should merely decline to provide identification rather than making excuses for not having identification.
7. Don’t touch any casino employee. You may find that they may exaggerate the incident and you may end up getting charged with assault and battery, or the equivalent in your state. Don’t let the heat of the moment cloud your judgment. Don’t escalate the tensions. Can You Leave A Casino With Chips WithoutRegarding Confiscation of Chips when Barred
Even though confiscation of your chips should never be legal in the absence of illegal cheating, card counters have had their chips confiscated on occasion, and casinos have refused to redeem their chips on occasion.
Unless the issue is so important to you that you want to become a legal crusader, be practical and prudent. You are on their turf. With rare exceptions, you can’t do better than just getting your money and leaving.
If they confiscate your chips, get a receipt, get the names of everyone involved, ask for the basis of the confiscation (in writing if possible), and leave quietly. Then call your lawyer! ♠
[Note from Arnold Snyder: Professional gamblers who will be playing in Las Vegas carry the number of Bob Nersesian in case of confiscation of chips or rough behavior by casino personnel during a barring or any type of illegal detention by a casino. You can find Bob’s number in our Interview with Bob Nersesian. See the link at the upper left of this page.
If you will be playing in the Midwest, I’d suggest carrying Bob Loeb’s number. He’s in the book.Can You Leave The Casino With Chips
I would also add a suggestion to the advice given by Bob Loeb above. Don’t automatically assume that a casino barring will end your career. Every professional gambler has been barred repeatedly, and still manages to keep playing.
Although all casinos will share info on barred players within their corporate group, fewer casinos share information outside that group.] Can You Leave A Casino With Chips Instead
For more information on your legal rights as a card counter or other type of professional gambler, as well as advice on how to handle the situation if you are barred or back-roomed, see Beat the Players: Casinos, Cops And the Game Inside the Game by Bob Nersesian, a Las Vegas attorney who has won difficult and huge lawsuits filed in recent years by professional gamblers against casinos.
For more information at this web site on professional gambling, casino countermeasures, and the law, see Arnold Snyder’s Blackjack Forum Professional Gambling Library
Return to Arnold Snyder’s Blackjack Forum Online Home
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Five tips to avoid the long walk of shame
All poker chips expire. But unlike with sour milk in a fridge, casino bosses choose when chips go bad. It can be months, years or decades after they are issued. “It’s a personal choice,” said Mark Lipparelli, a gaming consultant and former chairman of the Gaming Control Board. Indicate to the croupier that you want to leave (waiting for the end of a spin when they’re less distracted) and he will change your roulette chips for generic casino cash chips. The same goes for. Either wait till you go back or, if you know someone who is going anytime soon, sell the chips to them. The chips are good at any LV casino. I brought back a $1 chip from Luxor, Paris and Bellagio. I glued them onto a Vegas postcard and hung it on our ’memories’ board.by Basil Nestor
It can happen to anyone, even film legend Ben Affleck. On April 28, he was playing blackjack at the Hard Rock Casino in Las Vegas. According to Variety, Ben was approached by a casino rep who told him, “You’re too good at this game.” That’s a nice way of saying, “You’re counting cards.” Then the casino declined his action, effectively banning Ben from the blackjack tables. They called him a car, and he left the property.
Some news sources reported that Ben was banned from the Hard Rock, but a few days later, the Las Vegas Review-Journal got a clarification from Abigail Miller, a hotel rep. She said, “Mr. Affleck, a valued guest of Hard Rock Hotel & Casino, is not banned from our property and is welcome back any time.” Nice, but is Ben still banned from playing blackjack? She didn’t say.
How did this happen? Can it happen to you? The short answer is yes. Counting cards at blackjack is just one example. Roulette, craps, poker,—all table games are potential breeding grounds for situations that can land you on the pavement, especially if you’re an advantage player. Here’s what you can do to make that less likely.
1. Don’t be so obvious.
One week prior to his adventure at the Hard Rock, Ben was playing blackjack at Wynn. A rep there told him to curb his action. Rob Olivetti, games protection manager at Wynn and Encore, was quoted by Radar Online in an internal e-mail saying, “He was being way too obvious moving his money with the count. Cache creek casino rv camping parks. He was spreading $100-10K on the double decks and $0-20K (2 at 10K) on the shoe games.”
That’s just crazy! Depending on your blackjack counting strategy, and your preference for cover, you might want a bet spread (low bets vs. high bets) of 1-4 up to 1-12. You might push it to 1-16 if you’re brave. But Ben was betting $100 at the low end, and $10,000 at the high end. That’s a spread of 1-100! He might as well have announced when he sat down, “I’m counting cards!” It was unwise.
Wynn let him play, apparently with a warning. But Hard Rock shut the door.
2. Don’t be tricky with black chips.
According to various sources, Ben was using black $100 chips to keep track of the count. This was wrong for a couple of reasons. Casinos track your black chips. They don’t want you ratholing (sneaking black chips off the table and then claiming you lost money when you really won money). So they’re very aware of how you handle chips. Also, playing at a high-limit table brings extra scrutiny. It’s usually easier to get away with a big spread of 1-12 and ratholing when your bets are $75 to $900 or $150 to $1,800, betting green and black chips at a table in the main casino. Is that boring small stakes for Ben? Probably. But right now his stakes at the Hard Rock are $0. A modest spread of 1-6, $500-$3,000, might have been overlooked if he hadn’t been counting with black chips.
3. Don’t think the scrutiny is only on blackjack
All table games track black chips and higher denominations. They also count greens and reds, but not so carefully. All table games have behaviors that are forbidden or in the gray area of unwanted but not illegal. Some casinos don’t want you setting dice in craps. Some of them don’t want you using visual ballistics or wheel clocking in roulette. Every game has weak points that can be legally exploited, and you shouldn’t imagine that the casino is entirely unaware. So be stealthy. Be cautious. Above all, don’t be greedy. Win a reasonable amount and then quickly go. Don’t pile it up and dare the casino to identify you as an advantage player.Can You Leave A Casino With Chips No Deposit
4. Don’t be a jerk. By all accounts Ben was polite when he got the tap.
But many people are shown the door just because they’re jerks. I once had a guy sitting to my left who was ejected because he made an obscene gesture to me. Why was he angry? I correctly hit my hand and took his good card. The floorman went to the trouble of checking the video to confirm the gesture. Then security came and the dude was tossed. A few months ago I was in a game and one player just couldn’t stop cursing, even after a warning. He wasn’t in a bad mood, just had a foul loose mouth. The female dealer and the women at the table had the guy booted.
5. Don’t imagine you’re Jack McCoy or Perry Mason, but do know the law.
Casinos in Nevada can eject you for almost anything, or nothing. Don’t imagine that legal arguments will sway them. They can ban you from a game or ban you from the property. If you return, it’s trespassing. Elsewhere in the country, the rules are generally similar. In Atlantic City, you can’t be ejected for counting, but a casino can take countermeasures to make the game so unprofitable that it becomes pointless. Your strategic goal is to never reach this situation. And, of course, know the law and the rules of your game. Don’t cheat. Cheaters aren’t ejected; they’re arrested. If you’re detained for legal advantage play but not arrested, stay cool and be polite. Remember that casino security are not police. Don’t answer questions, and firmly repeat that you want to leave, gesturing toward the exits so cameras above can see. Walk out unless you’re physically prevented from doing so. And remember to take your chips! Of course, if it gets to this, then your strategy of stealth has gone horribly wrong. Play well. Be careful. Be gracious, and you’ll avoid getting a tap on the shoulder.
Enjoy the game!
Basil Nestor is author of The Smarter Bet Guide to Blackjack, The Smarter Bet Guide to Craps, and other comprehensive gambling guides. Got a question? Visit SmarterBet.com and drop him a line.What to Do if You are Barred or Backed Off by a CasinoBy Robert A. Loeb, Attorney at Law
(From Blackjack and the Law by I. Nelson Rose and Robert A. Loeb)
© Blackjack Forum 1998
Before giving the answers to what a card counter should do if he is barred, some of which are obvious, let me ask the following question: Are you really going to talk them into letting you stay and play? Are you really going to convince them that if they let you stay, they will see that you are not counting cards? Of course not. There is nothing to do but cash in your chips and leave quietly.
If you are not a card counter, it may be worth it to try to persuade the casino of that fact, because the casinos do actually hassle non-counters who may be winning, or because of a faulty conclusion that you are counting cards. Even non-card-counters, however, do not want to be so adamant that they risk some of the consequences listed below.
If you really think that there may be legal action, brought by you or the casino, try to learn the names of the dealer, pit boss, security people, casino manager, or fellow players. It will be important if there are any further legal proceedings. However, you don’t want to make things worse. Therefore, what shouldn’t you do if the casino is barring you? What Not to Do if You are Barred or Backed Off by a Casino
1. Don’t admit you are a card counter. They don’t know for sure. You might deny that you are a card counter, but don’t get into a big explanation. It doesn’t matter that you bet big off the top of a shoe, or that you’ve been losing your shirt. And you don’t think that you’re going to persuade them to let you continue playing without heat, do you?
2. Don’t wait long enough for your picture to be taken (or for more and better pictures to be taken). High stakes players are more likely to already have a picture on file, but there is no benefit to either the big or small player to have his picture on file.
3. Don’t start an argument, or make a loud fuss. You don’t want to be arrested for being disorderly.
4. Don’t go to the bar and have a drink. You don’t want to be arrested for public drunkenness, or have the casino follow you to the parking lot and tip off the police that you are driving drunk.
5. Don’t go to the cage and cash out. That is the casino’s preferred time and place to snap a good close-up of you. Return to the casino on a different shift, when everyone’s forgotten about you, and cash out your chips quietly.
6. Don’t show your identification, if at all possible. They don’t need it, nor under the typical trespassing statute, do they have a right to demand it. You may have to be very polite in your refusal to show an ID, but you don’t want your name in the Griffin book, which contains photographs and descriptions of card counters, alongside photos and descriptions of cheaters.
If you are actually being arrested, you probably will be legally required to produce identification. Don’t state that you forgot your driver’s license or that you don’t have a license. They may follow you to the parking lot, and tip off the police that you are driving without a license (I’ve learned of an actual incident in which a casino did this). You should merely decline to provide identification rather than making excuses for not having identification.
7. Don’t touch any casino employee. You may find that they may exaggerate the incident and you may end up getting charged with assault and battery, or the equivalent in your state. Don’t let the heat of the moment cloud your judgment. Don’t escalate the tensions. Can You Leave A Casino With Chips WithoutRegarding Confiscation of Chips when Barred
Even though confiscation of your chips should never be legal in the absence of illegal cheating, card counters have had their chips confiscated on occasion, and casinos have refused to redeem their chips on occasion.
Unless the issue is so important to you that you want to become a legal crusader, be practical and prudent. You are on their turf. With rare exceptions, you can’t do better than just getting your money and leaving.
If they confiscate your chips, get a receipt, get the names of everyone involved, ask for the basis of the confiscation (in writing if possible), and leave quietly. Then call your lawyer! ♠
[Note from Arnold Snyder: Professional gamblers who will be playing in Las Vegas carry the number of Bob Nersesian in case of confiscation of chips or rough behavior by casino personnel during a barring or any type of illegal detention by a casino. You can find Bob’s number in our Interview with Bob Nersesian. See the link at the upper left of this page.
If you will be playing in the Midwest, I’d suggest carrying Bob Loeb’s number. He’s in the book.Can You Leave The Casino With Chips
I would also add a suggestion to the advice given by Bob Loeb above. Don’t automatically assume that a casino barring will end your career. Every professional gambler has been barred repeatedly, and still manages to keep playing.
Although all casinos will share info on barred players within their corporate group, fewer casinos share information outside that group.] Can You Leave A Casino With Chips Instead
For more information on your legal rights as a card counter or other type of professional gambler, as well as advice on how to handle the situation if you are barred or back-roomed, see Beat the Players: Casinos, Cops And the Game Inside the Game by Bob Nersesian, a Las Vegas attorney who has won difficult and huge lawsuits filed in recent years by professional gamblers against casinos.
For more information at this web site on professional gambling, casino countermeasures, and the law, see Arnold Snyder’s Blackjack Forum Professional Gambling Library
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